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  • I've noticed this issue for some time but now would be a great time to finally address it. Song intro paragraphs, mostly for original songs, aren't entirely consistent. I realize the preload template was part of the problem and that has been fixed (more matches the cover song intros). Three basic, correct examples for original songs include "The Wall," "Getting Lucky," and "We Ain't Got That" (songs split into multiple parts).

    I'm hoping we can work together in correcting this neglecting issue. Variation in more complex song intros is understandable (the above is mainly connected to the simpler intros), but if there are any questions/concerns over these, please post below. Thanks!

    Update: Cover song formatting is detailed in #2 (& #16) while original song formatting may change slightly and be further detailed, on discussion to closer match cover formatting, after cover songs are finished.

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    • Turns out cover songs have a different set of issues. Other than some minor consistency issues, the current style of the intro paragraph could give a little confusion (eg. comma use). To solve these cover issues, I crafted the following examples.

      Featured (use full name):

      "Thank God I'm A Country Boy" is a song originally performed by John Denver that is covered by The Chipmunks, featuring Dave Seville, in the albums Urban Chipmunk, Solid Gold Chipmunks, and The Chipmunks 35th Birthday Party.

      Part of only one album/episode/etc:

      "9 To 5" is a song originally performed by Dolly Parton that is covered by The Chipmunks in the album The Chipmunks Go Hollywood.
      "On The Good Ship Lollipop" is a song originally performed by Shirley Temple that is covered by Brittany Miller in the Alvin and the Chipmunks episode My Fair Chipette.

      Part of an episode/film/special plus other works (tend to be multiple version songs):

      "Tutti Frutti" is a song originally performed by Little Richard that is covered by The Chipmunks in the Alvin and the Chipmunks episode Cinderella? Cinderella! An extended version is also included in the album Rockin' Through the Decades and the Alvin and the Chipmunks: The Squeakquel video game.
      "Bad Romance" is a song originally performed by Lady Gaga that is covered by The Chipmunks and The Chipettes in the third CGI/live-action film, Alvin and the Chipmunks: Chipwrecked. An extended version is also included in the soundtrack Alvin and the Chipmunks: Chipwrecked: Music from the Motion Picture.

      Multiple parts:

      "Good Luck Charm" is a song originally performed by Elvis Presley that is covered by The Chipmunks in The Chipmunks episode Luck O' The Chipmunks, split into two pieces.

      Released as a single:

      "I Love A Rainy Night" is a song originally performed by Eddie Rabbitt that is covered by The Chipmunks, first released as a single in 1981. The song is also included in the album Urban Chipmunk but varies dependent on the release: the 1981 LP version is sung by just The Chipmunks while the 1993 CD version is sung by The Chipmunks featuring Dave Seville.
      "Old Mac Donald Cha Cha Cha" ("Old Mac Donald Had A Farm") is a classic children's nursery rhyme that is covered by The Chipmunks, featuring Dave Seville, in The Alvin Show episode Good Neighbor. The song is also included in the albums Let's All Sing with The Chipmunks and The Chipmunks Sing Alongs and was later released as a single in 1963.

      Has a shorter episode version released after an album version:

      "The Gambler" is a song originally performed by Kenny Rodgers that is covered by The Chipmunks in the album Urban Chipmunk. An abbreviated version is also included in the Alvin and the Chipmunks episode Miss Miller's Big Gamble, split into two pieces.
      "Crazy Little Thing Called Love" is a song originally performed by Queen that is covered by The Chipmunks, first released as a single in 1980. The song is also included in the album Chipmunk Punk and, as an abbreviated version, in the Alvin and the Chipmunks episode The Trouble With Nanny.

      Has a separate album list:

      "All I Want For Christmas (Is My Two Front Teeth)" is a song originally performed by Spike Jones & His City Slickers that is covered by Theodore Seville, featuring Dave Seville, in multiple Christmas albums listed below.

      Only a live version:

      "Best Day Of My Life" is a song originally performed by American Authors that was covered by The Chipmunks and The Chipettes during the Alvin and the Chipmunks: The Musical tour.

      Only a game:

      "December" is a song originally performed by Collective Soul that is covered by The Chipmunks in the Alvin and the Chipmunks video game.

      As with original songs, more complex intros are going to vary, but base structure should be the same.


      Personal note:

      • Film Version
      • Classic Version
      • Original Version
      • Modified Version
      • Video Game Version
      • Album Version
        • 'Album' Version
        • Album/Video Game Version
      • Soundtrack Version
        • 'Soundtrack' Version
      • Episode Version
      • Special Version
      • 'Style' Version
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    • The intros also seem to be inconsistent on how to credit Dave when he is present in a song. I've seen them say "by The Chipmunks and David Seville", "by The Chipmunks featuring David Seville", and I've seen intros just ignore his presence altogether. The intros are also inconsistent in how they write his name, alternating between "David Seville", "Dave Seville", and just "Dave".

      I'd suggest using "by The Chipmunks featuring Dave Seville" as the standard, as that is the name of his link and seems to be the most common usage.

      Though actually, in the context of your format, it would probably be better to write "by The Chipmunks, featuring Dave Seville, in the album...", as that would be more grammatically correct.

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    • Again, I'd appreciate you not going off and making edits to these pages without discussing your disagreements (or changes) first (do realize I do not like repeating myself). I'd rather these edits be made once and not waste my time.

      I'm not sure if you are aware but not every instance of David Seville refers to the character. Ross Bagdasarian, Sr.'s stage name was David Seville and these instances shouldn't be changed to Dave Seville.

      You also changed intros for original songs, which have their own slightly different structure as seen above, and violated our MOS (quotes in the article space are italicized). Slow your roll and take one step at a time.

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    • I wasn't referring to any song by Bagdasarian Sr. I was referring only to songs released by Bagdasarian Jr. I should have clarified that when I posted.

      As for going off on my own and wasting your time, since I didn't touch any of the songs released by Bagdasarian Sr. (in fact I only touched the songs from a single album; Urban Chipmunk), the changes I made were to align them with the format you recommended (in the case of "I Love A Rainy Night" I copied from you word-for-word), and the only one of my edits you actually changed was the one about the italics, I'm not entirely sure what you're complaining about right now.

      I didn't know that quotes were supposed to be italicized though, so I'll apologize for that.

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    • And by the way, all of your formatting examples were for covers. If you're going to criticise me for not realizing that original songs are formatted slightly differently, maybe you can actually explain their formatting first.

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    • The "wasting my time" comment was directed at you making edits that vary from the plan that I would have to correct later on (further into the future). You did, in fact, edit my original formatting without discussion, even if it was minor, and I had to change it in my second post above. If this happened when a hundred or so pages were done, then indeed time would have been wasted. I'm trying to correct the situation early on, before making article edits, as I like to iron out the details prior to large batches of edits.

      The start of this thread was direct strictly to originals (the three linked examples are for original formatting) though there were some overarching statements that could possibly have lead to confusion. The second post, however, did specify cover songs and not originals.

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    • I see. I didn't realize that I had modified the format. I see what happened now. I wrote "that is" instead of "that's". I'm sorry about that.

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    • So, just to clarify, are we holding off on implementing the new format, or are we going ahead with it?

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    • That's okay. Let's sort out any additional changes now.

      I've noticed that your edit to "Hit Me With Your Best Shot" varies with the above example ("The Gambler"). I'd personally prefer to change "The Gambler" formatting to what you just used (An abbreviated version is also included in the Alvin and the Chipmunks episode The Camp Calomine Caper.) as it worked better with the "Crazy Little Thing Called Love" example.

      Are their formatting changes you see making?

      As for editing, one additional thing I've been doing for song pages is moving the Song Header closing brackets to a new line, if not already.

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    • I'm not sure exactly what you mean. Which formatting in "Hit Me With Your Best Shot" do you prefer to "The Gambler"?

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    • "The Gambler" uses

      "An abbreviated version is featured in the Alvin and the Chipmunks episode Miss Miller's Big Gamble, split into two pieces."

      I was thinking of changing that to match the formatting "Hit Me With Your Best Shot" is currently using to read

      "An abbreviated version is also included in the Alvin and the Chipmunks episode Miss Miller's Big Gamble, split into two pieces."
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    • Ah. You mean "included" vs "featured". I guess that was another thing I did without really thinking about it. Now that you mention it, I do prefer that wording to how it's worded in "The Gambler". As for other changes, I can't really think of anything I would recommend at the moment. I'm not the greatest at thinking of solutions to problems I haven't encountered yet. I guess all I can do is cross my fingers and hope we've covered everything, or that you can think of anything I've missed.

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    • Great. Anticipating problems is one of the benefits of pausing to plan ahead. We won't get everything but at least we aren't likely to need to do much additional reediting.

      If you can, in the edit summary please link back to this thread (if you don't know how insert [[Thread:24502|Standardizing intro]]). If you encounter a page that doesn't match an example, discuss it here.

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    • Actually, I was wondering about something. Several of the songs included in the album Here's Looking At Me had dialogue present in their original recordings that were removed for the album. I was wondering how we should handle that. Currently, one such intro (after accounting for the new format) is written like this:

      ""Leader of the Pack" is a song originally performed by The Shangri-Las that is covered by The Chipmunks in the albums Chipmunk Rock, Solid Gold Chipmunks, and The Chipmunks 35th Birthday Party. The song was also modified for the album Here's Looking at Me! (speaking parts were removed)."

      I'm not all that happy with how it's written though. It doesn't flow very well. What do you think of this:

      ""Leader of the Pack" is a song originally performed by The Shangri-Las that is covered by The Chipmunks in the albums Chipmunk Rock, Solid Gold Chipmunks, and The Chipmunks 35th Birthday Party. A modified version of the song with the dialogue removed was also included in the album Here's Looking at Me!."

      Now that I think of it, what do we do with the punctuation if the name of the album also has punctuation in it?

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    • Okay, to throw it out there, modified versions/songs/lyrics are a complicated issue (likely falling into the arena of varying slightly). There are modifications to the original (non-chipmunk) song (such as "Goodbye to You") as well as those to different versions.

      The following are some pages I've already done:

      "Achy Breaky Heart," "Deck The Halls," "Everybody Have Fun Tonight," and "Girls Just Want to Have Fun," "Goodbye to You," "Oh Where, Oh Where Has My Little Dog Gone?"

      Perhaps we can use something like:

      "Leader of the Pack" (no punctuation after that in article titles)

      A modified version, with the dialogue removed, is also included in the album Here's Looking at Me!

      "Achy Breaky Heart"

      The song is also included in the album Chipmunks in Low Places and, as a modified version, with the dialogue removed, in the albums The Chipmunks 35th Birthday Party and Here's Looking at Me!

      "Deck the Halls"

      The song is also modified, with lyric changes, for the special A Chipmunk Christmas, sung by just The Chipmunks, and, as an extended version, in the special's soundtrack, sung by The Chipmunks, featuring Santa Claus.

      "Everybody Have Fun Tonight"

      An abbreviated, modified version, with lyric changes, was also included during the Alvin and the Chipmunks: The Musical tour.

      "Girls Just Want to Have Fun" and "Goodbye to You"

      Stay the same.

      "On The Road Again" also is a song that was modified (that you updated already). Perhaps that page could use the same formatting as "Leader of the Pack."

      Other modified songs:

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    • I'm guessing the above changes are fine then.

      Edit: I've made all the changes in the above comment, with the exception to "Jingle Bells."

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    • All cover songs have finally been updated.

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