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  • Up until I first looked up Alvin and the Chipmunks on Wikipedia, after first watching the new series "Alllvin! and the Chipmunks, I always thought Simon was the oldest. Okay maybe not always but I thought Simon was the oldest. Now I see that Alvin is, but it doesn't seem like it to me.

    And it's not just because Simon is the tallest but in the 1980s series, Alvin copied Simon's book report (I only saw that episode once and that was back in 1999 if not later, at least that's the only time I remember watching it, I may have seen it before then.) And I thought Simon did the report the year before and I thought Simon was older and I may have thought a grade level higher than Alvin.

    THE TRUTH, IT BURNS!!! Just giving drama. I don't remember "Grounded Chipmunk" but I guess it is logical that Alvin would be the oldest.

    I honestly still like to think Simon is the oldest and Alvin came second.

    I'm sure I'm not the only one who thought Simon was the oldest. Any of you think the same thing?

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    • Personally I'd avoid Wikipedia when looking for Alvin information (I've seen some strange stuff over there that can linger).

      You aren't the only one to believe Simon is the oldest, based either on height or maturity. It's one of the biggest misconceptions in the franchise. In the 80s series, Simon's five minutes younger than Alvin. In the CGI films, their age is never mentioned, but, in the CGI series, Simon is actually older than Alvin (stated in The Sub when Alvin referred to himself as the "middle child" during the teacher-parent conference with Dave). This fact is perhaps to go along with the perception in the fan base that Simon's the oldest.

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    • Yeah, I was told Wikipedia isn't a very reliable source, well it isn't always and I've seen it for myself. One of my college instructors also told me  Wikipedia gets outdated, or the info on it.

      I didn't think I was the only one to believe Simon was the oldest and I choose to hold on to that belief, though now some parts of me are believing Alvin is so now there's an inner debate going on inside me.

      But I believe Simon is older for the same reason some people (or at least cartoon characters) believe in aliens: because I want to, or choose to.

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    • According to the official website of Toggo Alvin is the oldest chipmunk of the three in the series Alvinnn!!! and the Chipmunks.

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    • Streifenhörnchen wrote:
      According to the official website of Toggo Alvin is the oldest chipmunk of the three in the series Alvinnn!!! and the Chipmunks.

      Yep, that's noted on Simon's page. Regardless though what's stated directly in the series takes precedence over what a website states.

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    • I also think so, just an additional clue...

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    • This is what Alvin says in the episode:

      "Simon has been very troublesome in class. Is there something at home I should know about? I see here that you have three children and are not very nice to the middle on."

      Anyone think maybe he was talking about Simon not Alvin when he said middle child?

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    • Glassbooks wrote:
      Anyone think maybe he was talking about Simon not Alvin when he said middle child?

      When is Dave "not very nice" to Simon?

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    • Never but I think that may have been Alvin stirring up trouble like he said "Is there something at home I should know about?". 

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    • I personally think that the quote from the episode "Grounded Chipmunk" "I have never been alone except those 5 minutes before Simon was born" from Alvin was probably only a joke by the writers. Are there any other pieces of official evidence to prove Alvin's the oldest?

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    • That statement doesn't seem like a joke to me (would be a bad joke personally). This is the only evidence of age in the 80s series I recall (there are still a couple dozen episodes I haven't seen or seen in English). I heard at one time someone mention that there was an age reference in one of the books though I can't confirm that claim.

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    • Personally I think that Simon CERTAINLY the oldest. He is much more educated and wiser than his brothers, which means he has life experience. Also he is the tallest one, his voice like in mutation period, unlike Alvin, for example... I think on man's age he is fifteen.

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    • I have no preference on who's the oldest in the new series but I can tell you that being the tallest doesn't always make you the oldest. I have an olser sister but she's smaller then me. If I had to pick though I'd go with Alvin or Simon but we'd need more conformation for me to be absolutely sure.

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    • I thought so too it would actually make more sense for Simon to be the oldest tallest Alvin middle height shorter than Simon taller than Theodore youngest and shortest.

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    • I thought Simon was older, not due to height. If you watch all of the stuff, (I am a 90s kid so I watched them a lot growing up) you will see Simon takes the fatherly role when Dave is not around. More so for Theodore than Alvin but he does have moments for Alvin as well.

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    • Height and "fatherly" personality traits are not dependent on age. Height at least can be dependent on two things: genetics and nutrition.

      Personally I have a neutral stance on this debate. I just accept the age order as stated in the canon of each continuity. I have no problem with Alvin being the oldest by 5 minutes in the 80s series, nor do I have a problem with Simon being the oldest in the movieverse and Nick series; though I'm not sure which one's older in the 60s series.

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    • Simon is the oldest in Nick's Alvin series. However, in the 80's series, Alvin is the oldest. 

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    • In the Alvin Show and the 80s series, Alvin is the oldest, you are right, WillTheArthurandBusterFan. The info for the boys gas been modified since the series was debuted, but it states that Simon is in fact the oldest, by eight seconds. It varies depending on which cartoon you talk about, so be careful. And I think the same info in Grounded Chipmunk (which I haven't seen in years) is mentioned in Every Chipmunk Tells A Story. Here's the link for evidence in the new series: https://chipmunks.com/chipmunks

      Glassbooks, I went on Chipmunks.com when I first found out (in 2014/5), and the Togo website didn't copy the info correctly. Although descriptions were written in a way that were confusing to the target audience, I was able to understand the profile info. It seems that Simon's profile was written with more complex language than the others', like the comprehension was harder than Charles Dickens' works (that's my definition of medium hard). There was a ton of figurative language in the profiles then, seems clearer now, although I still don't get why they are describing Simon as a "chessmaster". Maybe use "logical thinking" or "logically-minded" instead. 
      

      In the CG series, Squeakquel profile booklets (and I believe the UK limited editon of Battle of the Bands) had an abstract on the right page about one of the Chipettes, and on the left page was a basic profile with height, preferences (favorite food) and age order. These came in the US with limited edition cola (which was disgusting, I had it) flavoured airheads. I got a Simon/Jeanette one, and it mentioned that Simon is one minute older than Alvin. DEmersonJMFM, good picking out info.

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    • Tan&Nerdy wrote:
      In the Alvin Show and the 80s series, Alvin is the oldest, you are right, WillTheArthurandBusterFan.

      Where is this stated in The Alvin Show? I've seen every episode and nearly all the Chipmunk segments and do not recall this every being stated. Plus Rugratskid, the guy who has just about everything from that series, couldn't recall any statement about Alvin's age in the series when I asked him a long while ago.

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